but karl rove's operation is still out there running advertising. >> the time for politics has ended. we need bipartisan ideas we can all support. call president obama and tell m, "it'sime to show us a balanced plan." because every day wasted is another $4 billion we're deeper in debt. and the heritage foundation, which once was a think tank of analysts writing papers has now morphed into another organization called heritage action, which raises tens of thousands of, i'm sorry, millions of dollars to run campaign commercials and do that sort of political action, which reinforces the problem of mone is so, vast amounts of money are sloshing around in the system. and the members of congress are almost like, you know, flotsam floating on a sea of money. they're just bouncing around. >> so, what do you both think the public needs to know about this economic debate going on right now? cut through all of that. >> that what they're being told is necessary and good for them is, in most cases, 180 degrees opposite of what needs to happen. we need as you suggested, we need more spending to prom